Follow

elon fucking musk 

Elon Musk is destroying ground based astronomy, and frankly decidedly ruining the night sky forever. It will be a sad day when ground based astronomy, even casual astronomy, is blotted out by low-earth orbit satellites just so some other internet company can extract wealth from people like landlords.

Elon plans on putting up 12,000 of them by 2027. That's about 6 times the number of operational satellites currently orbiting Earth.

Sign this and tell Elon to kindly stop polluting the already dimming night sky.

underluckystars.com/save-our-s

elon fucking musk 

can we all just leave 1 fucking thing unpolluted, at least?

Show thread

elon fucking musk 

If only I had my own satellite company I could go up into space and spraypaint every one of these satellite's solar panels entirely black, so they'd stop being so damn reflective. And functional.

Show thread

elon fucking musk 

Richard Brandson's OneWeb has launched 74 satellites of its planned 640 as well, and Jeff Bezos is planning for a satellite constellation 3,500 strong. They're all in an all out race to see which can piss all over the source of our specie's collective wonder first.

Show thread

elon fucking musk 

This will be the end of astronomy as we know it.
youtu.be/LGBuk2BTvJE

Show thread

elon fucking musk 

we're going to be living in a cage...

Show thread

elon fucking musk 

welcome to the 2020s, the decade that capitalism finally polluted the Heavens itself

Show thread

elon fucking musk 

I hate literally every rich person

Show thread

elon fucking musk 

@starwall disrupting the light pollution industry

elon fucking musk 

@binchicken to think, the most remote and pristine places on Earth, out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, at the tops of the Andes, these places where you can still see the grandeur of the Stelliferous era, the beauty of our galaxy, will instead be host to a dizzying array of "UFOs" that will blot out even the brightest stars. For billionaire reasons.

elon fucking musk 

@starwall i don't know why but somehow this has me more depressed about the future than anything else i've seen in the last few days

elon fucking musk 

@DeltaFlood Elon Musk is the least space-lover kind of person there is. I am homicidal with rage, is nothing sacred?

elon fucking musk 

@DeltaFlood the only saving grace is that since they're all in LEO orbits, they'll eventually decay their orbits and burn up if given a few thousand years of neglect.

elon fucking musk 

@starwall @DeltaFlood I think they're low enough that it'll be significantly quicker, making them a nice customer for SpaceX

@starwall @DeltaFlood I've heard it's going to take only a couple decades for them to come down...

elon fucking musk 

@starwall @DeltaFlood
Otherwise in the future when Musk eventually has washed his hands off them, open source rocket activists will launch missions to pull them down and clear the sky. Clean up will only be commerciable viable when literally you can't launch a satellite for all the trash.

elon fucking musk 

@starwall it's time to build a scientific base on the moon to observe our sky without any artificial satellite

elon fucking musk 

@starwall Musky Elon's Kessler Kage

elon fucking musk 

@RedFuture I would like for the nightmare to be over

elon fucking musk 

@starwall it won't..
Those things deorbit quickly and you just see them now because they are not operational and have their engines on at Max speed..

elon fucking musk 

@Drezil @starwall Their engine plumes are not what make them visible, and they don't burn constantly anyway... Just the reflected light from the solar panels and chassis is enough to make them visible from the ground at night when they're hit by the sun

elon fucking musk 

@it_wasnt_arson the solar panels reflect light back to the sun.
You can only see them during deployment.

If they obstruct things, than this will be changed.

They only have a lifetime of some years and depravity cleanly.

elon fucking musk 

@Drezil The solar panels still scatter some light to the sides, and whether it's them or the body itself, the overall brightness is enough to do this

elon fucking musk 

@it_wasnt_arson Ehen was tgat image taken? I suppose those stripes vanish when they reach their orbit & scatter more.

elon fucking musk 

@Drezil 1 week after the second launch, which boosted the satellites into their final orbit before deploying them to spread out along their path. The only thing that will change as they get shuffled into their final parameters will be the spacing

elon fucking musk 

@Drezil Hold on, actually this is a 450 km orbit instead of 550 for the lowest shell, so by the inverse square rule the final brightness would be.... 66.9% of what's seen in this image, which is still unacceptably high.

elon fucking musk 

@it_wasnt_arson the actively work on nonreflective painting & are happy about input from the astronomer-community.
Worst case: they have to be deorbited.

elon fucking musk 

@Drezil I sure hope there's a solution, but I doubt they will be deorbited even if they need to

elon fucking musk 

@it_wasnt_arson the lifetime of those are short anyway.
They only cost what? 50k each?
It is interesting that you always see them after launch, but never hear about the 500+ already in orbit..

elon fucking musk, death, body horror + 

@starwall glad to announce I've found the solution to space pollution, was it space robots or whatever researchers are focusing on currently? Why, no, turns out it was to kill all the billionaires then use their hides as big trash bags all along! Finally, their big pampered asses they've used to shit on all of us all these years will finally be put to good use!

elon fucking musk 

@starwall ikr not saying we should lie down and not advance at all but i don't understand the "we'll colonise the galaxy as an anarchocommunist regime"/"if someone should suck the near star systems dry of resources it should be humanity as a collective" crowd. like, I get it. capitalism does suck. I'm with you on that, can we not perpetuate THIS tho? this is the infinite growh mindset all over again.

elon fucking musk 

@spirtoulis this is exactly the opposite of scientific advancement. This wool over the eyes, a corporate blanket being thrown over the whole planet that will keep us thinking small for millennia at the very least. It's disgusting. The whole planet. Every nation. Every remote bit of ocean. Nowhere free from this cage.

elon fucking musk 

@starwall I agree. I'm afraid this is just the start of a new era, though. Who knows how many billionaire have sparks in their eyes now.
However, I thought this was a public-funded investement. Sad.

elon fucking musk 

@andreas Jeff Bezos plans on having 3,500 satellites, and Richard Branson has 75 of 650 up already. If we don't stop them, companies will blot out the stars forever, and our children may never know what the milky way looks like without constant corporate mirrors outshining the brightest stars.

elon fucking musk 

@andreas This isn't the start of a new era, this is the end of one.

elon fucking musk 

@starwall Yeah, I was being pessimistic 😂

elon fucking musk 

@starwall It's not only for the crowding of space (which has its own great vastity per se) but the presence of such big amount of metals, electricity, in an area still relatively close to earth, with its own load of debris, material or not (interference, pollution, etc)

@starwall So it should absolutely be possible to get a couple strong laser beams and have them shoot at those sattelites automatically so they'd had to give up before they've polluted the night sky too much...

elon fucking musk 

@starwall Elon Musk can just fuck right off. Scum of the earth

elon fucking musk 

@starwall I'm ehhh on it. see I think it can't be understated how crucial satellite internet actually is for those in non urban developed areas. huge parts of the world only have the internet by satellite, and unfortunately to increase that... you're going to need to fill the sky with stuff. as we put more and more telecommunications infrastructure in space, this was always going to be what happened. there's no way for us to use space as a space to put things and not have more and more of it filled. I think it sucks this is going to ruin grown based astronomy, which has already been made more or less impossible in cities due to light pollution from the ground and from air travel (as somebody who lives not too far from heathrow airport, trust me I can account to this one) . my answer is though, what's the alternative? nobody is laying cable out to these rural communities and individuals, and yet we live in a world where internet connects are now more or less a human right, they're crucial to even SURVIVE in a pandemic like we are in right now. even if we hung musk and destroyed capitalism, the night sky is only going to become more and more polluted as civilisation develops towards a space age

elon fucking musk 

@CornishRepublicanArmy @starwall that's fair, although i'd be happier about that if it was literally anyone other than musk doing it tbh

elon fucking musk 

@DeltaFlood @starwall feels like a bit of a mute point though innit "infrastructure is good, but not when the guy I don't like makes it!". this kind of stuff is genuinely crucial for many people who live in places like Cuba, rural parts of the US, huge parts of Africa, even fucking Scotland in some areas. communication has always been key to humanity as a whole, and allowed us to be much better as a civilisation for it, reducing that capacity to many who genuinely actually do need it right now because of geographic reasons isn't something we can just ignore and pretend this is just being done by Musk to swing his dick around. absolutely, 90% of it is Musk's dick swinging, but also if not him... somebody was gonna do this at some point 'cause we kind of need it

elon fucking musk 

@CornishRepublicanArmy @starwall oh yeah totally, what i meant is that of all ppl i wouldn't trust musk to actually set up internet access in remote places responsibly

elon fucking musk 

@DeltaFlood @starwall that is supposedly one of the key aims of this project, and why it has a lot of public funding

elon fucking musk 

@CornishRepublicanArmy @starwall like, not just setting himself up as a total monopoly and bleeding them dry

elon fucking musk 

@CornishRepublicanArmy the alternative is the same as how everybody else has internet and electricity? We just put in the effort to do so. Companies need to learn they can't just trod on every collective resource there is for fun and profit. How much more culturally relevant a resource can you think of other than the night-fucking-sky? This is not egalitarian. This is Musk, Bezos, and Brandson taking a spraycan to nature's face just so they can monopolize yet another industry.

elon fucking musk 

@CornishRepublicanArmy I used to be torn on it too but this is just not even slightly worth it, regardless of whatever fascist promises of luxury they say

elon fucking musk 

@starwall that's easy to say when you're not in a community who has people die due to lack of communication with vital resources physical wise and mental health wise, as well as the cultural strangulation of such areas from the rest of the interconnected world. people in these areas have talked for YEARS about the desperate need for telecommunications infrastructure, that's why this is being funded and done. asking people to just set aside their needs like that feels kinda shitty to me

elon fucking musk 

@CornishRepublicanArmy @starwall actually yeah, starwall, i think as stemy spacey ppl we have a bit of a bias to be kinda emotionally invested in the idea of the purity of space and like sure it's Nature but it isn't like an ecosystem, and laying roads and power cables and fibre optics to Every Human Dwelling On Earth would cause way more actual disruption to wildlife than the satellite network would

elon fucking musk 

@DeltaFlood @starwall thank you. I think that's the situation we've gotten ourselves into. what do we destroy more for the sake of our living? we can't put the internet back in the box, that's out there no matter what you do, nor would I ever want us to put it back in the box because it's by far been the greatest invention of human civilisation for the past 50 years, and will be seen as a turning point in history. we need to find ways to mitigate what we damage as we create our necessities for life, the same way we try to create non destructive types of agriculture and the likes. but I think an emotive 'fuck this crucial infrastructure, STEM matters more', which is kinda what I feel from this, is short sighted to the needs of people. the sky is a colossal piece of our collective culture, history, everything and to lose a part of that is bad and is not something we should just do gung ho, that's a completely legitimate point to have. but we have to consider other things too

elon fucking musk 

@CornishRepublicanArmy @DeltaFlood the classic leftist proverb "actually multiple things can be bad at once" applies here

elon fucking musk 

@CornishRepublicanArmy @DeltaFlood I do not think the pros outweigh the cons. Even if Elon, Brandson, and Bezos weren't the ones leading the charge. I'd be against this even if it were my beloved NASA, or any other organization.

elon fucking musk 

@starwall @DeltaFlood I don't think that's a defensible position when it comes down to vital infrastructure that saves lives

elon fucking musk 

@starwall I'm not arguing it's egalitarian, it's that it's crucial infrastructure the same way that capitalist build power plants and roads, we still need it even if it plows through a forest to connect two cities. it sucks, but that's what development does, the things you make will take the space of 'the common heritage of mandkind'. it's not economically or logistically feasible to lay fiber out into the middle of nowhere, which is why nobody does it and why these communities have huge telecommunications issues. people shouldn't be isolated, and these kinds of construction projects are how we reach people with the things they need in a reasonable manner. again like I said before, this is inevitable as we use space more as a thing, be it socialist or capitalist, as humans occupy space more it will be less of a thing for us to look at wondrously the same way landscapes have been ruined by the development of the spaces we occupy.

Sign in to participate in the conversation
Radical Town

A cool and chill place for cool and chill people.