posters with theoretical situations about what the abolition of police would look like
@persephone everything looks like a nail when all you have is a hammer
@persephone this whips ass
@persephone this gave me a new name for the police
"government conflict escalation service"
@ben it fits perfectly 👌
@persephone what's a "trauma informed crisis intervention team"?
@polychrome im assuming its an intervention team trained in trauma informed care !
@polychrome @persephone From my experience working in trauma services... social workers or community members trained in psych or sociology or trained in whatever situation is needed, that go out and help.
Like I've been trained and certified as a domestic violence/sexual assault/trafficking crisis interventionist due to my old line of work. I know how to help and I know the mental and physical ramifications and know how to talk things out in a nontriggering way that still moves people forward.
To be fair though, that's not the situation after you abolish police. That's the situation you have to reach before you can (and should) abolish police.
@wookieemark @paulakreuzer @persephone ehhhh.
the police escalates things, that we agree on, right?
well, if they have already escalated things, then there are already people out there who will be harder to deal with without some coercion.
a gradual transition seems like the way to go. and like, why wait with building out an alternative to the police until you've abolished the police?
but also, don't wait with taking power away from the police until the alternative has been perfected.
No it makes a lot of sense.
We can't all of a sudden remove police without an alternative, but it also doesn't make sense to wait with taking away some power from police until the alternative is 100% functional.
We need a transition where at the same time we're gradually establishing and improving an alternative and gradually taking away power from police.
Good job. But they use gmail. Why?
Sounds like somebody avoiding the actual criticism. Where is this, anyway?
To me it looks like whoever put those ads up are ignoring the actual criticism people have about the police, and are trying to frame the criticism as people wanting to get rid of the police all together. Which some maybe want, but I don't think that's such a popular opinion.
Anyway, that's what I'm reading into it - I don't know. Just thinking out loud. Still curious where the ads are posted though.
@persephone like, imagine police, seeing themselves as investigators, investigating cases, instead of patrolling neigbourhoods as opposed to warriors.
Like, investigating white-collar crime, or crimes where people were actually hurt.
@persephone you are legally obligated to post a fancam under this now
Weird how all of these situations would be made worse by adding antsy pigs with guns.
@persephone These are all good praxis, but I wonder what their author would propose as the resolution to "person with knife is running around slashing people in central London"
@persephone These are less suggestions on how to abolish police, as they are suggestions on how to better adress issues the police shouldnt be expected to solve in the first place.
Its not the polices job to solve systemic issues, thats what the government is for.
While i completly agree that the us police in particular is an absolute joke of a shitshow that deserves no respect and is bad at its job, framing these absolutely reasonable policy suggestions this way feels disingenuous.
@persephone Make no mistake, I completly agree with all of these suggestions and a country that cant even provide its citizens with basic health care and housing (looking at u usa) has, in my opinion, failed as a nation. (especially if all the money is there, USA) And while in many cases radical police reforms might well be in place, the abolishment of police is a way more extreme idea than the notion of actually helping people in a reaponsible way and the two are not really related
@persephone While discussing the legitimacy of violence based based law enforcement is a valid, if difficult, discussion to be had, it is a distinct issue from how we help people in crisis. Conflating these two is not only unnecessary but also combines policies that quite frankly should not be contentious in the slightest, with a quite radical stance that is probably not the most popular, thus harming the debate around social security issues.
@persephone Is there an original I can print out?
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