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@persephone everything looks like a nail when all you have is a hammer

@fr33l0 @persephone In cop terms: Everything looks like a target when all you have is a gun.

@persephone this gave me a new name for the police

"government conflict escalation service"

@persephone what's a "trauma informed crisis intervention team"?

@polychrome im assuming its an intervention team trained in trauma informed care !

@persephone @polychrome

In my experience there's also a negative component: an efficient intervention team must NOT have the power to sedate or detain and must not be a gatekeeper that can provide or withhold medication.

A huge problem in interventions right now, along with the cops showing up, is that social workers have a tremendous amount of power that they don't wanna admit they have, which is a mayor barrier to providing genuine care.

@polychrome @persephone From my experience working in trauma services... social workers or community members trained in psych or sociology or trained in whatever situation is needed, that go out and help.

Like I've been trained and certified as a domestic violence/sexual assault/trafficking crisis interventionist due to my old line of work. I know how to help and I know the mental and physical ramifications and know how to talk things out in a nontriggering way that still moves people forward.

@persephone

To be fair though, that's not the situation after you abolish police. That's the situation you have to reach before you can (and should) abolish police.

@paulakreuzer @persephone The existence of the police is mutually exclusive with these goals, so...

police abolitionalism 

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@LupineNaturFeinkostMerzig
Yes, Google bad. But is that really the most useful thing you have to bring to this discussion? @persephone

@puffinus_puffinus @persephone
May I just say the obvious things or even those, that nobody else have spoken about, because they focus all on the same?

@persephone
Sounds like somebody avoiding the actual criticism. Where is this, anyway?

@Camas
To me it looks like whoever put those ads up are ignoring the actual criticism people have about the police, and are trying to frame the criticism as people wanting to get rid of the police all together. Which some maybe want, but I don't think that's such a popular opinion.

Anyway, that's what I'm reading into it - I don't know. Just thinking out loud. Still curious where the ads are posted though.

@persephone

@persephone like, imagine police, seeing themselves as investigators, investigating cases, instead of patrolling neigbourhoods as opposed to warriors.

Like, investigating white-collar crime, or crimes where people were actually hurt.

@persephone you are legally obligated to post a fancam under this now

@persephone

Weird how all of these situations would be made worse by adding antsy pigs with guns.

@persephone These are all good praxis, but I wonder what their author would propose as the resolution to "person with knife is running around slashing people in central London"

@glowingskull
The emergency public security forces would quickly neutralize the attacker with a net or a tranquilizer. But people rarely get to those extremes unless they're pushed by existing oppression, be it social or economic.
@persephone

@rick_777 @persephone Thanks for the answer. It sounds like a technique-and-tools improvement that could be carried out by existing police agencies irrespective of whether those agencies are later abolished.

@persephone These are less suggestions on how to abolish police, as they are suggestions on how to better adress issues the police shouldnt be expected to solve in the first place.
Its not the polices job to solve systemic issues, thats what the government is for.
While i completly agree that the us police in particular is an absolute joke of a shitshow that deserves no respect and is bad at its job, framing these absolutely reasonable policy suggestions this way feels disingenuous.

@persephone Make no mistake, I completly agree with all of these suggestions and a country that cant even provide its citizens with basic health care and housing (looking at u usa) has, in my opinion, failed as a nation. (especially if all the money is there, USA) And while in many cases radical police reforms might well be in place, the abolishment of police is a way more extreme idea than the notion of actually helping people in a reaponsible way and the two are not really related

@persephone While discussing the legitimacy of violence based based law enforcement is a valid, if difficult, discussion to be had, it is a distinct issue from how we help people in crisis. Conflating these two is not only unnecessary but also combines policies that quite frankly should not be contentious in the slightest, with a quite radical stance that is probably not the most popular, thus harming the debate around social security issues.

@persephone where do these come from?

I'd like to post some around town for #blackfriday

@persephone Thing is, without the police, who will solve murder mysteries? I wouldn't feel very safe knowing some psychopath could murder me in my bed and then run away.

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@persephone All of these have real-life examples of course, but community intervention for gun violence has a proven track record! propublica.org/article/how-the While police are a component in community intervention programs like Operation Ceasefire and its offshoots, so are ministers, families and the at-risk young men themselves. The police were effective and helpful because they worked as part of the community & not in opposition to them.

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