@wintgenstein I saw it and also that Aztec game? the Aztec game looks cool as shit
@melissasage yeah aztez looks dope
@wintgenstein it's amazing how they released two historical games this week and one looks like every warmed over medieval graphics-where-you-can-count-the-pores yawnfest, and the other has cool art and is based on Indigenous history. feels like a perfect distillation of something alright
@wintgenstein I'd even kill for a half decent medieval historical fiction walking simulator but somehow I don't think Kingdom Come is that
@wintgenstein I see "historically accurate" in the description and I read it as "there's a lot of rape in this"
@melissasage i don't know about the game but iirc the devs said historically accurate meant "there are no people of color in this"
@melissasage furiously googling "is moor a slur"
@wintgenstein lmao as far as I know it's just the name of the ethnic group but boy, that's also what I thought about the G-word for Roma people, so who knows
@melissasage i only hesitate because my shakespearean acting professor told me that his educated guess on which slur was most common in his body of work would be moor, with jew being 2nd place
Looking it up: "Europeans of the Middle Ages and the early modern period variously applied the name to Arabs, North African Berbers, and Muslim Europeans."
@melissasage @wintgenstein my understanding is that it isn't a slur in most medieval and early modern contexts. In Othello, "black" has more overt negative connotations than "moor", "moor" is mostly used neutrally. In medieval European texts, black and brown people are more often demeaned on the basis of the religion with terms such as "infidel" or "pagan", with words such as "moor" or the more commonplace "saracen" being somewhat neutral
@melissasage @wintgenstein And there are some who would argue that it's not strictly correct to say "moor" is a neutral term in medieval texts because that implies that medieval Europeans held a neutral view of Africans and Middle Eastern people. But I think the same could be said, for instance, of any word for "woman" in a medieval text, since medieval Europe was a misogynistic society. I don't think that qualifies as a slur
@garfiald @wintgenstein thinking about it kind of like "oriental" in that sense, where if you see someone today referring to a person as "oriental" that's 1000% a racist, but historically speaking that's just a common term to describe people from Asia
also i didn't know "Saracen" was a neutral term, I've only ever seen that in a pejorative sense
@melissasage @wintgenstein I guess I can see where you're coming from, since "Saracen" is used to express that someone is both a Muslim and African or Middle Eastern. I was thinking of the fact that Saracens are seen as always susceptible to be converted, so that the term is not as uniquely damning as as terms like "pagan" or "infidel". But you're right
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