Who do you prefer to have all your data?

@thufie @melissasage @whiskeysailor

telling you how much we love this would be bad opsec tho, so we won't

@melissasage @whiskeysailor

Cheers, I appreciate the Infosec meme-art!

Actually years ago, I tried to give away free "Tails" TOR browser CDROMS in Harvard Square, from a stack of 40 that I burned.
There were a few takers.

So that bottom-left ultra-sincere Quadrant of Tor Evangelists was me!

(Nowadays, I'd be in the China quadrant for who's the least-worst to get my data, except we never seem to get that option. And I think Tor is 5-eyes fundamentally.)

best wishes and Happy Fedi
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@GooseThird @whiskeysailor hah! it's a good natured joke; I've also basically moved from bottom left to top left

can I ask why you think tor is basically five eyes? I've heard that critique before but I don't understand the substance of it

@melissasage @whiskeysailor re: Tor, * Origin, (USNavy grant), * Regime-change promotion (Tor touts its readiness for "dissidents" but sadly they often are US-Squads), * Money trail (nodes funded by Western org's), * Honeypot history e.g. FBI (you get tagged just by using tor, too); and mainly, *** peer Authority *** -- i.e. the best Communist Irish queer Infosec person in HCMC, Saigon Seamus, banned 3x on TW for calling-out US spooks, described flaws of Tor and NGO-land in detail pre-ban 🍯

@melissasage @whiskeysailor Why the distinction between Google/Facebook/other silicon valley companies and 5 eyes?

@InternetKevin 'cause people (esp. in the US) think big corps can't be authoritian cause their not govs. Even enforcing their shitty vision of society to the rest of the world (monopolies, mass surveillance, lobbies, firing people for expressing their sympathy to those who defend workers rights… ) for profit "is not authorian, it's just usual business". It's perfectly acceptable to be an asshole fascist if "it's just about money, not politics! it's freedom!"

@melissasage @whiskeysailor

@devnull That is all completely wrong though. As soon as your data goes to any American company, it also becomes part of your permanent record. Also what you post of here is part of your permanent record. @melissasage @whiskeysailor

@InternetKevin I know all that/I agree. I'm just saying that many people oppose govs who are authoritarian to campanies who "aren't"

To them, companies aren't authoritarians cause they "don't govern"¹. They are "just using their right to make profit" or even that "they will fight in court against evil govs to protect their users days, for their reputation"

Many people blindly trust companies and @melissasage @whiskeysailor - 1/2

capitalism, so they pretend it's the complete opposite of authoritarian govs, and that it's perfertly acceptable and "unpolitical" when companies do shitty authoritarian crap for profit. Even if it's unacceptable when it's done by politicians…

1. Even if companies actually have a big political power and work with/for govs on mass surveillance tech.

@melissasage @whiskeysailor @InternetKevin - 2/2

@mgiagante Thanks for proving my point…

Greed and authoritarianism aren't mutually exclusive. Pushing mass surveillance is still authoritarian, whether it's motivated bu greed or not…

@InternetKevin @melissasage @whiskeysailor

@devnull @InternetKevin @melissasage @whiskeysailor Sure they aren't... I mean look at Fidel, Xi, Kim ... they are all also greedy. Though greed on its own can sometimes drive progress.

@melissasage @whiskeysailor I agree with some of this graph. (Five eyes authoritarian right, yes!) But I would put China in authoritarian right as well. For libertarian right, I would put Google/Facebook: what they claim to be, and for authoritarian left I would put Google/Facebook: how they actually behave.

@melissasage @whiskeysailor my favorite part of this is the (correct) implication that auth right and "lib" right are the same.

@sergiotarxz yeah it's wrong but i only realized it after i'd already made the image and i'm not gonna issue a correction on a shitpost lmao

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