I'm a little frustrated that the Left keeps lumping the self-employed with the upper class rather than the working-class, as though a good portion of them aren't busting ass week to week on absorbent amounts of caffeine hoping that they're able to sell enough of their products to pay bills and eat enough to be healthy.

I've seen multiple posts across social media doing so. Like, lumping a single mom with an in-home essential oils business and an independent construction contractor who still works 9-5 into the same pot as Jeff Bezos is just a bizarre conclusion to come to. It's good for the worker to own the product of their labor but it's not the final solution to the capitalist system.

@solarpunkagorism if you're self employed but employ workers on a wage under you, you're a class traitor. If you're "self employed" but contracted by a company who decides your pay hours etc, you're a worker who's being exploited so that they don't have to give you rights. if you're running your own business and are doing it all by yourself, then it's effectively a one-person worker co-op - hope that helps clear things up a lil?

@scottishwobbly yeah I shouldve clarified - distinctly self-employed w no employees. Even a cooperative only changes so much. You can't expect to turn a hierarchical for-profit business into a cooperative for-profit and magically solve capitalism.

@solarpunkagorism it doesn't have to be for profit, like take a look at the black cat collective who put their profits towards the local music scene, that's the whole thing about worker co-ops. Also you can have them run along union lines to further ensure giving back to the community blackcat.coop/vision/

@scottishwobbly My point was the "work till you drop, grind till you make it" mentality is inherent to capitalism, as is the problem of artificial scarcity, and just making capitalism more collective isnt going to necessarily fix it. The self-employed worker, so long as they aren't exploiting others through wage labor, is just as much a victim of both as the non-self-employed worker is. If the left doesnt keep trying to fixing the system after turning it cooperative, it just won't get fixed.

@solarpunkagorism @scottishwobbly

"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common."

...leads to...

"It is the historic mission of the working class to do away with capitalism. The army of production must be organized, not only for everyday struggle with capitalists, but also to carry on production when capitalism shall have been overthrown. By organizing industrially we are forming the structure of the new society within the shell of the old."

iww.org/culture/official/pream

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Worker-led co-ops are the only way to sustainably work toward the dismantling of capitalism.

@cryptograbear @solarpunkagorism @scottishwobbly

I agree in principle, but IRL I've been shafted in a co-op setting and it still ticks me off when I think about it. It's a fine line at times between "co-operative" and "clique," unfortunately.

@xenophora @solarpunkagorism @scottishwobbly

That sucks, I'm sorry to hear about your experience! I'm sure it happens more often than we'd like to talk about.

Was it a worker co-op built on left ideology? Was it affiliated with the IWW or any other kind of union?

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