the wildest shit is when someone tells a white, monolingual English speaker their name, using only sounds present in the English language and structured into syllables in ways the English language permits, and yet because the name 'sounds foreign' the white person will fuck it up over and over, even when the name is repeated, and eventually settle on an incorrect 'approximation' of something they have no linguistic reason to be unable to say correctly
if a monolingual English speaker really struggles with a rounded front vowel or phonemic tone or a click consonant or a pharyngealized consonant or a breathy-voiced stop or something? alright, fine, that probably IS genuinely tough to do. but when somebody has pre-Anglicized their name for you, or the correct in-their-language pronunciation of their name is already a valid phonological word in English, and you're still acting like it's utterly beyond you? come onnnnnnnnnn
@byttyrs it always depresses me when someone with a foreign name which is not difficult to pronounce ends up just using an English-sounding name in English-speaking countries because people are too lazy to learn their real name
@byttyrs you talking about my wife and her travails?
@MoMartin sure, count her in
@byttyrs if people can digest Schwarzenegger (it's even in my spell check), they can handle anyone's name.
@byttyrs ah, yes, the Chinese capital, the capital of China, which official language has no such phoneme, Beiʒing,,
@carcinopithecus well, Mandarin DOES have a lenis postalveolar fricative that can appear in that position, it's just retroflex and an allophone of its R. that absolutely should be an affricate instead of a fricative, though, you're right
@byttyrs one of my friends in college’s name was pronounced shen-gen but went by Eric because people fucked it up all the time apparently
@moonbolt I don't know that this applies. these examples overwhelmingly concern pronunciation-from-spelling, rather than a refusal to accurately reproduce a model pronunciation that is phonologically well-formed in English; an inaccurate reading of someone's written name might be a hyperforeignism, but this is a failure of spoken-to-spoken imitation
@byttyrs my name isn't 'kass-ia', it's 'kaśa', but i go with the former or 'kat' a looooot
@mcdonaldsofficial I was just thinking about how goddamn simple Katarzyna actually is to say
@byttyrs my dad has an indian friend from his workplace named srinath and all of my family that knows him pronounces it correctly and calls him such except for one of my aunts who gave up on trying and instead has decided to call him bill [insert my dad's side of the family's last name here] because it's quote-end-quote easier to pronounce
Me: my name's 'Meira' (me-ir-rah)
Someone I don't know: Mariah, Maria, Marcia, Medea...
@byttyrs "How to boost someone's toot to every fucking screen on the planet?"
@null I don't think that is usually it
@byttyrs hello welcome to my life, white people, Citlali is literally one of the easiest nahua names to say lmfao
its see-tlah-lee. or hell, i'll take sit-lolly. whatever . but i've gotten "susie" "amelie" "emily" and "lorrie". not to mention all the "sssss- sit- sit- seeee- seeet- sssitlaaa- sssiiiiiit-"
@byttyrs i stopped using 'Star' because it was erasing my actual name. star is fine generally but when people are pointedly using it because they can't say 'Citlali' then i revoke rights to using Star lmao
@byttyrs this happened to my friends in high school all the time and it baffled me
I literally didn't see any other way to pronounce their names than what they told us, but teachers somehow always messed them up
A cool and chill place for cool and chill people.