@FuchsiaShock very cold take, likely to offend <1% and those people are just afraid of the truth

@SanfordianPhil @FuchsiaShock unfortunately there are so many parents who think that they neef to enculturate their child by having them read all the crappy 100~ year old books they read when they were young.

@FuchsiaShock they said it's their hottest take, not that it's a hot take

I think coercion is the bigger problem than the choice of books. If you forced kids to read Harry Potter it would still kneecap their enthusiasm for reading.

@mike @FuchsiaShock But that's just it: It's coercion by *limiting* the choice of books. White people weren't the only ones to have written language, and the support of the status quo wasn't the only thing ever written about.

Maybe if they added classic literature to the line up that actually *criticized* the racism & sexism of the ruling classes of the time instead of upheld it, then people might actually stay interested because it stays relatable.

@KitsuneAlicia @FuchsiaShock
You could restrict required reading at school to works by people that are not cis het white men and not part of the ruling narrative. It would be an improvement, but in my not that humble opinion still not enough to foster enthusiasm for reading.

I think the bigger problem is using assignments, grades, pizza parties, and other extrinsic motivators to get kids to read. It kills innate interest in reading.

@FuchsiaShock academia is not in charge of setting secondary school curriculums? and cares more about chaucer and zadie smith than plato? the correct place to point this finger would be at conservative rich white men who want the things they studied in college to remain the basis for intellectualism, some of whom may be academics, but many of whom are extremely not

or was the question rhetorical

@onethousandtwentyfour @FuchsiaShock Eh?

People who set school curriculums are very much academics, even if high-school environments & educators had a non-university culture.

I wouldn't know about the latter in the US, but in France that's very much not the case:
the aggrégation (the highest certification for teaching at high-school level) basically requires having a Masters degree in your field (though it's not uncommon for its recipients to go for a PhD) and spending an additional year cramming for a very-competitive exam.

had the opportunity to go for it, and turned it down given that it doesn't exist for CompSci (there's a CompSci option for the math one, but it still had a bunch of requirements I wasn't interested in cramming for) and isn't useful outside of France's academia.

@kellerfuchs @FuchsiaShock it is true in the US that teachers need to be educated in their fields, but curriculums are not set by educators, they are set by school boards (locally-elected) and state legislatures, neither of which need to necessarily be academics

@kellerfuchs @FuchsiaShock anyway my point is more, Toni Morrison is a professor emeritus at Princeton—an academic—and blaming her, or any of a number of other PoC or women academics in the field of Humanities and Literature, for the emphasis on white men in secondary schools seems… a bit off


I swear, so much of high school literature is so DREARY! And mostly a real chore to plough through as well.

CanLit is pretty bad for that, with boring shit like Barometer Rising and Death On the Ice instead of something that teenagers might get a bit enthusiastic about.

On the plus side my school (although not my class unfortunately) did have A Wrinkle In Time, which was a start at least.


Oh, and Fifth Business actually wasn't too bad. Doesn't age all that well though.

@Nezchan Wait

You're telling me that a book called


Isn't actually exciting?

Shit that would be enough to make me become voluntarily illiterate right then and there

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@FuchsiaShock this is basically the exact reason why I want to teach literature and humanities myself.

@FuchsiaShock there's nothing wrong with reading the classics
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